A new tier for xbox live membership at $ ...

I have seen rumors abound concerning M$ raising yearly membership fees. What if they are not raising prices, just adding a new tier- Silver membership(how this is considered membership, I have no idea)free, Gold membership $50 and Platinum(made up name)membership $100.I have thought about this since yesterday and here is my hypothesis. M$ keeps silver membership(free) and gold($50 per year)membership exactly how they stand and with the same amenities they have now. M$ introduces a new tier called ''platinum membership''(I just made up the name), which allows the platinum members free DL of everything. That includes game add-ons, arcade%26 indie games and maybe whole games for a limited amount of time. Also, free netflix rentals and maybe music too, if they get around to adding it.Or Platinum could allow you only Netflix for free. Another of many possibilities is that you get music like any subscription on zune or apple. Obviously giving away everything for free won't work but there could be one free game a year or the ability to have any three arcade games at a time.This way everyone stays where they are but are given the option to upgrade. Sort of like the public option in healthcareYou are smart group, what do you gamespotters think about that?*Edit* Remember these are simply suggestions for you to think about. I do not stand behind any of these ideas as workable and legitimate. I would like to hear other options on how a third tier could work.For those that doubt it is a possibility, a friend just sent this to mehttp://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=25723A new tier for xbox live membership at $ ...
You obviously have no idea how economics work,,,this may give microsft a slight profit boost but the devs who make the content would be seriously hurt by any such ''tier''Would never work in real life and thus I know microsoft arent doing this.A new tier for xbox live membership at $ ...
[QUOTE=''penpusher'']You obviously have no idea how economics work,,,this may give microsft a slight profit boost but the devs who make the content would be seriously hurt by any such ''tier''Would never work in real life and thus I know microsoft arent doing this.[/QUOTE] That is funny, I'm an econ prof. and was considering doing some work with my students on this subject. I thought I would test it on the forums first and by no means am I saying that each example I gave is necessary. Try being a little less rude next time and work on the spelling and grammar.
I see what your getting at. Sounds cool. They would obviously have to work out differnet feautures to see if they'll make money. Its not for me, but my firend would jump on platinum without hesitating.I could see it becoming a headache for microsoft to get it all setup. Maybe not. Do they own everything on the marketplace, or do they get a percent of profit for hosting content?
I don't see them giving all DLC for free. But I could see this ''Platinum'' membership be given stuff like everything in the Avatar Marketplace for them is free, gamerpics and themes as well would be free as this does not require as much work to make. Then they could better discounts on Microsoft published products ALL THE TIME. And discounts on media ALL THE TIME. Maybe even some of the that suff for free. They could get many perks Gold members don't have without having to make Map Packs and stuff for free. All my opinion and I know nothing of economics so if this would not work I am sorry.
[QUOTE=''gatsbythepig''][QUOTE=''penpusher'']You obviously have no idea how economics work,,,this may give microsft a slight profit boost but the devs who make the content would be seriously hurt by any such ''tier''

Would never work in real life and thus I know microsoft arent doing this.[/QUOTE]

That is funny, I'm an econ prof. and was considering doing some work with my students on this subject. I thought I would test it on the forums first and by no means am I saying that each example I gave is necessary. Try being a little less rude next time and work on the speling and grammar.[/QUOTE]



Your an econ prof. and you think that Microsoft taking all the profit for development companies DLC is a good idea? I don't buy it...
''Try being a little less rude next time and work on the speling and grammar''Am I the only one that thinks it is funny that 99% of people that attack someone for SPELLING go make a SPELLING error themself?
[QUOTE=''gatsbythepig''][QUOTE=''penpusher'']You obviously have no idea how economics work,,,this may give microsft a slight profit boost but the devs who make the content would be seriously hurt by any such ''tier''Would never work in real life and thus I know microsoft arent doing this.[/QUOTE] That is funny, I'm an econ prof. and was considering doing some work with my students on this subject. I thought I would test it on the forums first and by no means am I saying that each example I gave is necessary. Try being a little less rude next time and work on the speling and grammar.[/QUOTE]First of all, the guy didn't really make any grammar/ spelling mistakes, and I definitely see his point. Could you please explain how Microsoft and third parties (indie developers, artists/ musicians, DLC releases) would both profit from this? I really don't see how this would ever work, but i wuold appreciate some clarification on the matter.
[QUOTE=''EternalDecay'']''Try being a little less rude next time and work on the speling and grammar''

Am I the only one that thinks it is funny that 99% of people that attack someone for SPELLING go make a SPELLING error themself?[/QUOTE]

That is fantastic. You caught my error, I laughed pretty hard when I saw that. Is it too late to edit?
[QUOTE=''EternalDecay'']''Try being a little less rude next time and work on the speling and grammar''Am I the only one that thinks it is funny that 99% of people that attack someone for SPELLING go make a SPELLING error themself?[/QUOTE]Well since you bring it up, I believe it should be ''themselves.''
Definitely not viable... what happens in various industries is that you pay for a higher tier-membership and then you get a permanant discount on content. For example, you would pay 100$ what the OP suggested and then you get 25% off all content etc. However, there is no way they would let you download everything lol That means that if in a year you expect to pay 50$ for online content, might as well get the 100$ membership since you will then be able to download anything else for free anyhow. OP, what school do you teach at? Can you provide us with some examples of sustainable business models which follow the same principle as you mentioned here?
[QUOTE=''NOD_Grindking''][QUOTE=''gatsbythepig''][QUOTE=''penpusher'']

You obviously have no idea how economics work,,,this may give microsft a slight profit boost but the devs who make the content would be seriously hurt by any such ''tier''

Would never work in real life and thus I know microsoft arent doing this.[/QUOTE] That is funny, I'm an econ prof. and was considering doing some work with my students on this subject. I thought I would test it on the forums first and by no means am I saying that each example I gave is necessary. Try being a little less rude next time and work on the speling and grammar.[/QUOTE] Your an econ prof. and you think that Microsoft taking all the profit for development companies DLC is a good idea? I don't buy it...[/QUOTE]

I suppose I wasn't being clear. I am looking for your ideas and opinions. I am not suggesting that M$ takes the profits for DLC. M$ could very easily work out an agreement with each publishing house. Heck, M$ doesn't even need to include DLC in thier offer. It is open to discussion... do you have anything to add?
[QUOTE=''gatsbythepig''][QUOTE=''penpusher'']You obviously have no idea how economics work,,,this may give microsft a slight profit boost but the devs who make the content would be seriously hurt by any such ''tier'' Would never work in real life and thus I know microsoft arent doing this.[/QUOTE] That is funny, I'm an econ prof. and was considering doing some work with my students on this subject. I thought I would test it on the forums first and by no means am I saying that each example I gave is necessary. Try being a little less rude next time and work on the speling and grammar.[/QUOTE]Yeah and I just happen to be will smith you just cant tell because I'm on a forum,,, Sorry mate but I aint buying that you are a professor in anything just coming out with ''well I'm this'' is the oldest trick in the book for defending a weak idea.It just wouldnt work and if you were an economics prof you would know this much. I mean its not microsoft that make ALL the dlc that come out for games. Plus I would imagine microsoft take a certain percentage of the profit a dev makes on each dlc purchase so in my opinion I think microsoft could stand to lose profit if they were to allow all DLC to be downloaded free for a one off fee...let alone the kick in the teeth the devs would take
These rumors are from a Wedbush Morgan's analyst who never gets anything right. And all he said was.....''...you really want to hook every gamer who has a 360, you want them to buy all their games on 360, play everything multiplayer, pay you 50 bucks a year so that, in a couple years, it's a 100 bucks a year.''Not exactly something to take seriously imo.
[QUOTE=''dinb'']Definitely not viable... what happens in various industries is that you pay for a higher tier-membership and then you get a permanant discount on content. For example, you would pay 100$ what the OP suggested and then you get 25% off all content etc. However, there is no way they would let you download everything lol That means that if in a year you expect to pay 50$ for online content, might as well get the 100$ membership since you will then be able to download anything else for free anyhow. OP, what school do you teach at? Can you provide us with some examples of sustainable business models which follow the same principle as you mentioned here?[/QUOTE] I had considered the issue of people paying for 1 year, DLing everything then switching back to $50. M$ could make it so the downloaded content has a time period that the files can be kept- like Netflix. I will not divulge where I teach but I can say I also work for the Von Mises Institute. As far as a sustainable business model, I will include that after a full week of class discussion.
a quick note I do apologise for being rude. Theres been a slight family drama today that I would rather not go into but I apologiseThough my opinion still stands
[QUOTE=''penpusher'']a quick note I do apologise for being rude. Theres been a slight family drama today that I would rather not go into but I apologiseThough my opinion still stands[/QUOTE] No problem and I do appreciate the apology. As for my response, I was just a little irritated. Since we are being open with eachother, did you notice I spelled, spelling incorrectly?! Oh, how ridiculous we can all be.
[QUOTE=''DZBricktop'']These rumors are from a Wedbush Morgan's analyst who never gets anything right. And all he said was.....

''...you really want to hook every gamer who has a 360, you want them to buy all their games on 360, play everything multiplayer, pay you 50 bucks a year so that, in a couple years, it's a 100 bucks a year.''

Not exactly something to take seriously imo.[/QUOTE]

The whole discussion really revolves around Pachter's prediction. I have to say that I am not very impressed by this guy. Wedbush Morgan could have hired almost any of you people that use this website with about the same results, if not better.
The rumor you speak of was started by a analysist who was justing saying something outragious so that he can put his name out in the news. From economic perperceptive why would Microsoft double the price of XBox Live, when the other systems have free alternatives? If the analysist would have said Microsoft to raise the price of XBox Live to $75 it wouldn't have made that big of wave. This would have been more of realistic amount for an increase to announce. If I were to predict an increase for XBox it would be $65.
Why do you keep typing M$ in a serious discussion...?

wrinkles

Loot in Borderlands...

Just out of curiosity, does anyone know if there are any unique weapon drops in Borderlands? I mean I realize its not a persistant world like WoW or whatever, but I was just curious if every lvl 21 Solider basically will have more or less the same equipment depending on what quests/bosses they have faced?Loot in Borderlands...
Well I think all the boss's drop the same thing, like Sledge's Shotgun. But other than that, most everything else is random. I've played with a lot of soldiers and they all seem to have a different variation of a rifle or shotgun.Loot in Borderlands...
There are unique weapon drops from bosses. For example, when you defeat Sledge you get ''Sledge's Shotgun'' which has x10,000 burst fire. I have also found pretty great weapon drops from random lvl 21 Elder Skags...

XBOX 360 Router Problems?!

Hi guys,
I picked up Forza 3 today and am having some trouble connecting online. My NAT type is STRICT and I'm using an old ****BT Home Hub. I've tried port forwarding ports such as 80, 88, 53 etc etc according to tutorials but to no avail. The xbox appears on the router's settings, so I've tried forwarding to it by name, and also by IP (by setting the 360's IP to static and copying it across to the route settings). I have no idea why it still doesn't work and it's driving me crazy! :evil:Any help would be much appreicated. Does the NAT settings depend implicitly on the router? If so I'm seriously considering getting another device, could someone recommend me a good router with OPEN NAT settings?

Thanks all,
AlXBOX 360 Router Problems?!
The ports that need to be open are 53, 88, 3074. Try that.
If that doesn't work try this link below. It helped me out a lot when it came to opening ports.http://www.portforward.com/XBOX 360 Router Problems?!
Yeah they're all open on both UDP and TCP :(. yeah that's the tutorial I was using too, no luck as of yet though :(.

Thanks,

Al
Okay, when all else fails just open the DMZ in your router specifically to the xbox's IP address. Usually routers just let you do it to one IP address but it's good to be on the safe side.
Eugh my 360 doesn't appear in the drop down list of devices in the DMZ menu... It appears everywhere else but not here :/. The only option I have is to assign the DMZ service ''Internet'' to my laptop, but not to my xbox. :(

Cheers,

Al

What do you think of IGN saying COD is f ...

I don't agree with them Borderlands got an above average review i heard and COD 4 got like what a 9.5 and Halo as well so unless IGN and gamespot give Borderlands a 10 I think COD is the best shooter series ever and Halo is just fun fyi-I am not interested in borderlands YETWhat do you think of IGN saying COD is f ...
Clam down...its a joke.What do you think of IGN saying COD is f ...
I count it as there opinion though
Its not their opinion its a simple joke. :|

Time to lighten up, man. Call of Duty is a game with mass appeal and is marketted to people for that reason. It's not hardcore because it's tailor-made for everyone to play. Borderlands is not. So when they say CoD is for sissies, it might be a joke, but it's also a funny way of saying that Borderlands is hardcore.Seriously, lighten up.
you cant spell ''ignorance'' without IGNthat is so true
Now you know how Halo fans feel.
My 6 year old brother can do good in a game of CoD. Put him in a ranked game of Gears or Halo he doesnt get squat.
It was not only a joke, it was advertisment for the game. It was trying to show what the game is all about and whats involved with it. Don't ake everything so seriously, also as others have stated its the matter of opinion.
People who say COD is ''easy'' are wrong. Gears is just a flat out broken game that's nearly unplayable.And Halo is easy enough, it's just most people suck at it. People forget it's a simple matter of throwing a grenade near opponent before going for a headshot.COD is more fluid and realistic than both games. It's not meant to be eays to play. Godforbid if a headshot is a headshot.
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[QUOTE=''jarhead1990'']People who say COD is ''easy'' are wrong. Gears is just a flat out broken game that's nearly unplayable.And Halo is easy enough, it's just most people suck at it. People forget it's a simple matter of throwing a grenade near opponent before going for a headshot.COD is more fluid and realistic than both games. It's not meant to be eays to play. Godforbid if a headshot is a headshot.[/QUOTE] Play against a pro and see how many kills you get in Halo.
[QUOTE=''Ugalde-''][QUOTE=''jarhead1990'']People who say COD is ''easy'' are wrong. Gears is just a flat out broken game that's nearly unplayable.And Halo is easy enough, it's just most people suck at it. People forget it's a simple matter of throwing a grenade near opponent before going for a headshot.COD is more fluid and realistic than both games. It's not meant to be eays to play. Godforbid if a headshot is a headshot.[/QUOTE] Play against a pro and see how many kills you get in Halo.[/QUOTE] Pro Halo player... like those are hard to come by :roll: face it halo just boils down to a formula, why do you think everyone in the MLG just uses the BR?
[QUOTE=''PoisoN_Facecam0''][QUOTE=''Ugalde-''][QUOTE=''jarhead1990'']People who say COD is ''easy'' are wrong. Gears is just a flat out broken game that's nearly unplayable.And Halo is easy enough, it's just most people suck at it. People forget it's a simple matter of throwing a grenade near opponent before going for a headshot.COD is more fluid and realistic than both games. It's not meant to be eays to play. Godforbid if a headshot is a headshot.[/QUOTE] Play against a pro and see how many kills you get in Halo.[/QUOTE] Pro Halo player... like those are hard to come by :roll: face it halo just boils down to a formula, why do you think everyone in the MLG just uses the BR?[/QUOTE] Because it is the most skilled gun to use and the gun promotes alot of teamwork and competition. There are power weapons also that MLG uses. But everything competitive works that way. Too much stuff ruins competitive play.P.S. Good luck trying to find a game against a pro who plays on a top 16 team.
[QUOTE=''Ugalde-''][QUOTE=''PoisoN_Facecam0''][QUOTE=''Ugalde-''] Play against a pro and see how many kills you get in Halo.[/QUOTE] Pro Halo player... like those are hard to come by :roll: face it halo just boils down to a formula, why do you think everyone in the MLG just uses the BR?[/QUOTE] Because it is the most skilled gun to use and the gun promotes alot of teamwork and competition. There are power weapons also that MLG uses. But everything competitive works that way. Too much stuff ruins competitive play.P.S. Good luck trying to find a game against a pro who plays on a top 16 team.[/QUOTE]Agreed.
Wow I am seeing more and more of these halo is harder than CoD arguements... OKay here is my opinion, Halo is a much harder game. CoD is really easy to pick up and play and that is why it has become so popular.Oh and as for IGN let it go they are funny for the most part and it was a joke.
[QUOTE=''Mooby0308'']Wow I am seeing more and more of these halo is harder than CoD arguements... OKay here is my opinion, Halo is a much harder game. CoD is really easy to pick up and play and that is why it has become so popular.

Oh and as for IGN let it go they are funny for the most part and it was a joke.[/QUOTE]

You are absolutely right. Most CoD fans wont agree though.
[QUOTE=''Mooby0308'']Wow I am seeing more and more of these halo is harder than CoD arguements... OKay here is my opinion, Halo is a much harder game. CoD is really easy to pick up and play and that is why it has become so popular.Oh and as for IGN let it go they are funny for the most part and it was a joke.[/QUOTE]At least it's more factual than ''Halo takes no skillz'', which ironically usually comes from COD fanboys. And yes i agree, this is a joke.
Wtf does being a ''pro'' player have to do with anything. Whatever this conversation is over lol.
[QUOTE=''jarhead1990'']Wtf does being a ''pro'' player have to do with anything. Whatever this conversation is over lol. [/QUOTE] Have you ever seen a sport. A ''pro'' player is the best at whatever sport he plays. Believe it or not competitive Halo is considered a sport. So ''pro'' Halo players are the best players at Halo. Thats why some like Walshy and Tsquared get paid millions to be the best.The only thing that being a ''pro'' has to do with anything is that you wont get a kill in a game full of Halo pros I cant say the same for CoD pros.

which game did u like better than its se ...

05:30:0905:30:10sequels that dont live up to the glory of their predecessors or are less fun !!! so what game did u like more playing than their sequels .
mine would be max payne imo mp1 was more action packed and brutal than mp2which game did u like better than its se ...
FEAR and Ultimate Alliance come to mind. With FEAR 2, it felt almost like a completely new game, wasn't scary or shocking and I hated the film grain effect on it. For UA, it just came down to the number of characters and certain other mechanics. Can only carry over characters on a harder difficulty, level 60 cap, fusions really weren't needed at all, much shorter game, etc.which game did u like better than its se ...
gears of war.

i did love gears 2, but i've replayed gears 1 a lot more than i did gears 2....



i was slightly disappointed with 2, not sure why.
I enjoyed Condemned 1 much more than Bloodshot nothing other than that lately.
[QUOTE=''summer_star17x'']gears of war. i did love gears 2, but i've replayed gears 1 a lot more than i did gears 2.... i was slightly disappointed with 2, not sure why.[/QUOTE]

Me too! :-)
Fable, hands down. Didn't have the urge to keep playing as I did with the 1st, which I really enjoyed. I'll get around to it, one day. I second Max Payne too. The original was a memorable classic and it's sequel not so much.
umm... Resi 4 isten times the game Resi 5 is. Don't get me wrong, I love the game, but what I really wanted was 10 hours more of Resi 4.Less rambo, more ''HOLY **** I'm running out of ammo and I don't want to waste my rounds cos I dunno what's around that corner or in that room that looks like a hell hole, who know's whjat's gonna jump out at me through that rickety looking door or what's gonna scare the bejesus outta me because I just don't wanna use that last green herb before I find a red one so I can combine them and stop limping and then, if i can stop sweating, try and survive the hordes of ZOMBIES with just a pistol and a shot gun, What the hell are KIJUJU or GANADOS anyway? what the hell was wrong with ZOMBIES?! BoW's and GIANT KILLER PLANTS?!And where thehellIS thatarmour key?! And I sure as hell hope that's NOT chris's blood?! I wish I'd taken that ''lock picking'' class with Jill, Damiit! This is soooo lonely.... I'm sooooo scared and sweaty, and itchy....Saw friend... ugly face... killed him.Itchy... tasty...
Original Metal Gear Solid. Who wants to play as an old Snake or gay looking Raiden?
I enjoyed KOTOR 1 more than 2.
[QUOTE=''RAMRODtheMASTER'']I enjoyed KOTOR 1 more than 2.[/QUOTE]



Who didn't?
Anything after Combat Evolved was just not up to par, also I liked NBA 2K9 better than NBA 2K10 which isn't really a sequel but you get the point lol.
[QUOTE=''angelbelow000'']Original Metal Gear Solid. Who wants to play as an old Snake or gay looking Raiden?[/QUOTE]old snake was bad ass, did u play MGS 3 or 4 they kicked ass
I like COD2 better than COD3. It doesn't really count but that's all I got.
[QUOTE=''Agent_Kaliaver''][QUOTE=''RAMRODtheMASTER'']I enjoyed KOTOR 1 more than 2.[/QUOTE] Who didn't?[/QUOTE]

Good point. :D
[QUOTE=''angelbelow000'']Original Metal Gear Solid. Who wants to play as an old Snake or gay looking Raiden?[/QUOTE]Thank you, finally someone that agrees with me. Since the original MGS, I haven't seen another action game that actually had a story as complete and engrossing. In my opinion it's the best action game of all time. All the action games today are shooters. MGS is reason it took me awhile get into games like Halo and Gears of War because of their lack of a story. Don't get me wrong both games are great shooters, but just imagine one of them having an engrossing story like MGS. I my opinion that would have of made those games two to three times better than what they are today.
KOTOR 1 was slightly better than KOTOR 2. RE4>RE5. However, unlike movies, I think game sequals are almost universally better than the originals.
[QUOTE=''heysharpshooter'']KOTOR 1 was slightly better than KOTOR 2. RE4>RE5. However, unlike movies, I think game sequals are almost universally better than the originals.[/QUOTE]

I agree. Most of the time game sequels, unlike movies, are better than their predecessors, but there are those cases where the original is the best. Kinda like how Halo CE blows the later incarnations out of the water, but that's just my opinion.
[QUOTE=''RAMRODtheMASTER''][QUOTE=''heysharpshooter'']KOTOR 1 was slightly better than KOTOR 2. RE4>RE5. However, unlike movies, I think game sequals are almost universally better than the originals.[/QUOTE]

I agree. Most of the time game sequels, unlike movies, are better than their predecessors, but there are those cases where the original is the best. Kinda like how Halo CE blows the later incarnations out of the water, but that's just my opinion.[/QUOTE]

Game sequels are almost always better because at that point, the technology is better, the gameplay and game engine has been refined and past complaints are usually addressed. But if gameplay is tweaked a bit too much and/or some controls are slightly changed, some people just can't accept change from what they are used to, and fickle gamers will tend to hold strong with an original game over a technically superior sequel.
[QUOTE=''DJ_Magneto''][QUOTE=''RAMRODtheMASTER''][QUOTE=''heysharpshooter'']KOTOR 1 was slightly better than KOTOR 2. RE4>RE5. However, unlike movies, I think game sequals are almost universally better than the originals.[/QUOTE] I agree. Most of the time game sequels, unlike movies, are better than their predecessors, but there are those cases where the original is the best. Kinda like how Halo CE blows the later incarnations out of the water, but that's just my opinion.[/QUOTE] Game sequels are almost always better because at that point, the technology is better, the gameplay and game engine has been refined and past complaints are usually addressed. But if gameplay is tweaked a bit too much and/or some controls are slightly changed, some people just can't accept change from what they are used to, and fickle gamers will tend to hold strong with an original game over a technically superior sequel.[/QUOTE]A lot of if is nostalgia as well. Just try and convince a fan of the first three RE's that RE4 is the best game in the franchise. It won't happen. Many gamers have really great memories of the early titles in a franchise, and when they take a significant turn like RE did, they refuse to excpet that is is a turn for the better.
The first Dead or Alive Xtreme primarily because of it's framerate.

sorry this probbly has been asked before ...

Which is better falcon or jasper chip? because someone on here said that after may 08 all xbox's were made with jasper chip... mine was made in april 09 but im pretty sure its a falcon... then someone said falcon has less chance of rrod than jasper and another said jasper had less chance of rrod. so can someone please just clear this up! sorry this probbly has been asked before ...
Jasper is better but they still die.. Microsoft just tells people they are immune to it when that's complete bs.sorry this probbly has been asked before ...
[QUOTE=''Darkslayer16'']Jasper is better but they still die.. Microsoft just tells people they are immune to it when that's complete bs.[/QUOTE]

When did Microsoft tell people that the Jasper units were immune to the red rings? Link please?
[QUOTE=''reubendarosa''][QUOTE=''Darkslayer16'']

Jasper is better but they still die.. Microsoft just tells people they are immune to it when that's complete bs.[/QUOTE] When did Microsoft tell people that the Jasper units were immune to the red rings? Link please?[/QUOTE]

Oh, comeon you know Microsoft doesnt directly say it!

Hardest puzzle you've had to complete in ...

On any game you've played on the 360 (arcade games can be included), what was the most difficult puzzle youve had to solve?Hardest puzzle you've had to complete in ...
I would have to say most of the puzzles in Braid. I felt like it was pretty challenging. Hardest puzzle you've had to complete in ...
Splosion Man co-op jumps.



They suck.
Alone in the Dark had nothing but puzzles...some were quite challenging, too.

wrinkles